. I believe God will welcome Bill into heaven with open arms for the positive work he has done. Not surprising that you are getting off-colored comments from some WC members. But it seems that the true believer would not say, Now I un-repent and un-accept Jesus Christs death and resurrection as the atonement for the sins that I will never be able to pay, but rather, How is my sin like these sins? What is a godly response to this still-unfolding situation? and Is this a church I can keep attending and supporting?. It goes with safe spaces at college. Brad may be a Christian, one stunted by being immersed in an environment that had the form of godliness while denying the power, but he also may be one who wouldnt know Jesus if He walked up and gave him a hug. Nancys story is not outrageous to me. Updated | Rev. He told me he had taken Ambien. This sounds like the guys in the NHL who put black marks on their helmets when they get hit with puck. The church and association are no longer paying Hybels a salary or other payments, according to the report, but a binding retirement agreement is still in place until 2020. It has been posted several times. Which God/god Bill ? Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. Why are you slamming the Bride of Christ? He told me he had taken Ambien. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. Theres theory, and then practise. This has not only damaged women but also affected men, like my husband, who looked up to Bill Hybels as a positive role model. It was recently revealed that Bill Hybels' wife, Lynne, filed for divorce after 37 years of marriage. All we can do is obey the Lord, do whatever it is were told by Him to do. And since Peter came up in another reply of yours along with a list of credentials with almost everything but being a Pharisee of the Pharisees lets think of his credentials by the time Paul met up with him in Anotich. They collected funds for widows and orphans, and then distributed those funds as promised. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? The contents might be encrypted, and, if a key used to decrypt them is lost (or not handed over), they arent readable. Prestige of Willow Creek? I looked down at the author. Plausible deniability for Bill. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. The new lead pastor discounts the claims of the betrayed and encourages the women of the church to believe differently. Just a followup to my above comment. Sounds more like damage control. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Two general statements: And few of us agree on every point! There is ignorance going on but you may be pointing in the wrong direction. Later I did not know how or who to talk to and began to second-guess and doubt myself as to its significance; that is, until years later when I began to hear stories of other similar encounters. You just described me. And what does Lynne Hybels think about all of this? The solution? So your mind overrides your gut. I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. I dont know why he does these things. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. My assessment is that the entire leadership there at Willow Creek needs to be held accountable and the base must face this issue with appropriate consequences. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? Thus, a comment with an accusatory flail that the bride of Christ is being slammed does much more to define you than your list of purported credentials than the site hosts and most of the responsible contributors in the comments section. Trust me, Willow Creek has nothing to do with whether I follow Jesus or not. Bill Hybels has stepped down. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. Ok. And conveniently you are dismissing the affair. i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . Why it was Bill Hybels! Please join me in praying for WCC, the victims, and the leaders. Trying to encourage and create the best in everyone.. This is largely Christianese. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. I grew up around some. Lydia, not sure if that is sarcasm or? Its like a funhouse mirror of the Christianity I used to follow. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . No one walks away unascathed. memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. He has denied. toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). Thats why it cant be measured in terms of numbers, and in the case of Graham and Hybels are likely massively inflated anyway, and again, they dont get the numbers credit in any event, because its not that simple, its an enormously complex process that leads anyone to this or that place where they hear a message that the Holy Spirit uses to tip them over the fence. And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. WTF? Jesus healed that man and told Peter to stow it. Every dept, every spin off ministry, with line item salaries. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. He was talking about how successful Sociopaths and Swindlers and Abusers are masters of Camouflage (and Misdirection)! Buy my books, listen to my sermons, attend my conferences! Western Christians seem to view hell as a location whereas Eastern Christians seem to view it as a state of being. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. Bob Buckner. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. Not just anyone can do it well. How would I know. -Behaviors went on for many years I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. You are just nailing it. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. Thats only whats been reported. Im no expert, but my research in such matters suggests how clever and manipulative abusers are. * Now, it all falls into place: Wow, Im not the only person this happened to. This was real. This was wrong.. The question is why? The Holy Spirit, as Dee correctly said, does the work. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Cant people be sincere and caring without all that? Put it in context and think about such a convo. If there is one thing I find the most comprehensively evil is manipulative deception. 3434 pant, right? Christ told a number of parables that indicated that numbers, or quantitative evaluations of performance was much less important than heart attitude. Again, the new york . Churches are in the state they are in because they refuse to seek truth and call the words of victims gossip. Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. Whew, those poor WC members have been exposed to some characters! Parallel universe I suppose; different set of rules most likely. John & Nancy Ortberg are known to be false teachers, mis-leading the body of Christ teaching unbiblical things such as contemplative prayer which amounts to nothing other than New Age mysticism. People are saved to church. I have recently become Lutheran. Church people who want to do that with her at this point are way off base. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. We were in both places for years and said little or nothing. And my understanding is that it applies to both criminal cases and civil lawsuits, and in any regulatory actions (like IRS or state Attorney General investigations of corporations). 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.. Youre not alone Lyds. Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! in one of those situations. Never being offended. Now its over. is lynne hybels still married to bill. It is the Spirits job to convict and change.. Of course Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus. just questioning a seeker sensitive approach can bring down a fair amount of push -back , heat, and attacks on your faith So, now the geru of it has resigned, over minor or mad eup attacks?? The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bill's wife was made aware of the situation. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. Judging Others if one has enough of those there seems to be a scale to weigh behaviors against. I worked as a psychotherapist with both perpetrators and victims of sexual boundary violations for 20 years. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. But Moses said to the LORD, Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either in the past or since you have spoken to your servant, but I am slow of speech and of tongue. 11 Then the LORD said to him, Who has made mans mouth? In this day and age, no one wants to get their name caught in the tangled web. I think you have to either ask, as okrapod mentioned, or kind of read the room. Your boss? That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. The problem is when the church becomes just like the world, when its a big organization with huge budgets and building programs and long-term goals and plans and a big stage with spotlights and a pastor whos a celebrity and whom very few people know, save for the 45 minute public show/motivational speech every week (or far less than every week, if youre Robert The Hairdoo Morris), people have an average drive of 30 miles to the sanctuary and what has been created is so artificial that the church leaders must create these artificial means to patch some fake community thing together so the whole works remains a going concern, what with the bills to pay and all those families dependent on those salaries. (Big clue there, folks) And people will do that by making the others, worse. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Listen to yourself, Brad! Big. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) I want to make sure I understand you. We could apply those words to the most recent statement by Mr Hybels. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. JIHAD! And he could also use the Ambien thing to slander Vonda if she publicly complained about the way he had treated her that night. 1 comment about arms @ Lydia. I fund it demeaning to victims and I dont do demeaning here. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. We are not gullible fools. Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. He didnt want to stop and I have some doubts that he took it when all this stuff happened. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. I hope your eyes are one day opened. I chose to focus on the positive, job well done, not the negative. B wrote: No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye. That is a huge red flag. So, as with what apparently happened at Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels having his emails removed, that wasnt really a great idea. Things that often included the emotional or spiritual wounding of others, if not actual physical or sexual abuse, were overlooked, out of a misplaced trust and loyalty to a so-called man of God. Its not the victim. I can assure you that everyone is reading the comments!!! And a pedestal they can fall from and did. Wild!!! Sitting there talking is not the problem. @ Lydia: I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. What we have a problem with is a man who by his own admission did a lot of untoward things, things that are the very definition of a sexual groomer, and did so behind the scenes while maintaining the aura of one who should be emulated. I believe that God is convicting WCCs leadership. Thanks Dee. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? Publicado en 88000 . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc In April 2018, when Bill Hybels' scandal got out, John Ortberg turned on his former master . They know exactly how to size people up, how to take advantage of their needs, insecurities, weaknesses, etc. Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. Sigh. Pew sitters paid for these seminars.. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. For further flow of events, see I, Claudius, Dune, and Game of Thrones. Maybe hes just old. Sovereign Grace Ministries The Eurythmics. FOUR YEARS!! This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. But it is also more than ethics here. I know, Ive been there. My professional organization will not do that In fact, we are specifically instructed how to do email when legally sensitive information is invloved. Stop blaming women for getting assaulted. There is a reason that big names get away with so much. That length is reserved for the husband/wife relationship, comforting someone, or greeting someone close whom you havent seen in a long time. Ummmmm Brad. The video is on YouTube: Satan loves false dichotomies, republicans vs. democrats, Calvinists vs. Arminians, traditional vs. contemporary, etc. I am all for systemic analysis and the big-picture view. But please dont discard their testimony for the reasons you gave. She even volunteered in church (choir, Sunday School) and married an aspiring preacher! Just Disgraceful. That isnt good for anyone. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. Hybels having resigned rather than face his accusers, what will WC do with Jesus and guided by Gods Holy Spirit? People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. Darn it! How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. I know this because I have experienced it myself. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. I was so sorry to learn about all of this yesterday and Willow Creek Church. Mary, you judge day in and day out. The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. @ dee: Dee, As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. We have a problem with people who now want to pile on the growing number of women who are coming forward with similar stories. Less excusable is the behavior of the elders after it started coming out. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. You did nothing to invite such horrors of sexual abuse. Same play book. When will people get it that the church is not the same thing as the body of Christ. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? I wonder when the above reproach inspectors will engage and be welcome with open arms; they may want to hurry, as its reached the secular media, and theyre not too focused on 1 Peter 4:8. etc. But eventually they will wake up to what happened and it will not be pretty when nice people realize that they have been manipulated and used. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! As Bill Hybels learned, there's far more to romantic love than meets the eye. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. I had the Willow Creek model thrust down on my church over 25 years ago. The inner motivations and thoughts of an individual. For example, I have no problem with a man eating dinner in a public restaurant with a woman who is not his wife . But is that truthful? But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! Working our works out of view, This is Uncharted Territory for them. Take responsibility for your actions and the role you played! I get it bothers you. People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. Little children they say do not like to be hugged by the old people so I dont do it. I have been doing this for 9 years and that is jus plain baloney. Ephesians 4:2. It is about following a Rabbi who was despised and mocked and sent to the Cross. I hope its okay to post. I get what you are trying to do and youre very good at it. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. It was a constant topic from a social psychological view. We are to be tools in the hands of God. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. Position? OK. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. Interesting, as it goes after comments (he said bad words) and some situations, offering a perspective, all engineered to shape the perspective regarding Hybels. So, let me challenge you, go back and rethink the *speck in the eye* verses. !) called Give Me That Christian Side Hug went near-viral. This is a well worn story, insert Pastor name here, insert church name here. You are right, the whole situation smells of cover-up. The Eleven and Jesus followers went on to be faithful in following their Lord in establishing the Church by the power of the Holy Spirit. I hug relatives and near relatives depending on the situation-like somebody is dead. In some jurisdictions and situations, it may lead to criminal charges for spoliation of evidence or perhaps even tampering of evidence. Gossip! As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? Soon as your back was turned, the mask flipped off like a light switch and there was only the contempt of the Predator gloating over the stupidity of his Prey. Good grief, until this minute I had no idea there was such a thing as a hug culture. Thats the thing; note the commonality of the golden parachute disembarking in these cases. ? Why not go public 4 years ago?? havent forgotten. My first international trip with Willow Creek as a staff member was to Tasmania. truthseeker wrote: I dont see how Willow Creek can move forward with the existing board. The strength and impact of Nancy Beachs and Vonda Dyers words remain, thankfully. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. that their chief goal is to get their sexual needs met without negotiation. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. I hope that you are correct that what was stated by Jodi Walle is not true. Eleven repented and realized their failing at the resurrection. @ Davis and Natasha: Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. I definitely have pictures of my cat as a kid dressed up in doll clothes looking not super happy. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. Hybels is a BS artist and a skilled speaker but also friends with very unrighteous people. Other tricks of such manipulators include drawing others into guilt-causing behavior, for instance using swear words casually or tossing around jokes about blow jobs. Come Lord Jesus! There are evil people who look like good people. Wow!!! Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. We still do not know what that really means. A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. Hybels retired early from Willow Creek in 2018 after he was accused by several women, who worked for or attended the church, of sexual misconduct stretching back more than 20 years. READ MORE: Brian Scotto Net Worth Books Some of his published books are: The Power of a Whisper: Hearing God, Having the Guts to Respond; Too Busy Not to Pray: Slowing down to Be with God; Simplify: Ten Practices to Unclutter Your Soul; So much! The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. This is so typical mega. I do and I wont allow this pathetic attempt to hurt another. 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